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Thursday, September 8, 2011

Ezekiel 38-39

You don't hear much about Gog of the land Magog in the Lutheran church, and I really haven't done much of it in the Methodist church....many scholars say that Gog represents evil, just like Revelation refers to Babylonia as all evil nations.    In other words, scholars disagree as to whether this is symbolic or literal.  You know what, it doesn't matter because it is not a saving issue.  Don't get too hung up on it because you know the end of the story...God wins in the end.  It is a battle, and it is good vs. evil.....evil forces will be destroyed.

I'm going to add Patricia's take on it....it comes from a big Baptist point of view and she takes this from David Jeremiah, who is well respected in the field.  I really liked her maps.

Day 250! AND WHAT A WAY TO SPEND IT!
 
Chapters 38-39.   Before we go any further and you say “Trish I don’t get it”.  Let me start by saying…This prophey HAS NOT YET BEEN FULFILLED.  “Say what??” But listen here you twisted sister…turn on your choice of news channels…Fox, CNN, MSNBC….they are reporting about it and they do not even know it.    Remember Ezekiel is called an Eschatology Book.  Fancy Nancy would say that was a fancy word for speaking of end times.
 
Eschatology ( Eschatos meaning “last” and -logy meaning “the study of”) is a part of theology and philosophy concerned with what is believed to be the final events in the history of the world, or the ultimate destiny of humanity, commonly referred to as the end of the world.
So what in the World are these 2 chapters about. Gog and Magog.  (fun to say huh)  This is about NATIONS coming together against an Israel with no walls.  These chapters written 2600 years ago give us one of the most important and dramatic prophecies in all Ezekiel, it is called the Prophecy against Gog and Magog.  It is a prophecy about the invasion of Israel in the last days.  An invasion led by Russia and Iran.  According to scholars,  it will happen shortly after Israel will sign a “peace treaty” with leaders in Europe.  It will be fake, especially from Europe, who will join forces with Iran to destroy Israel.  Is this happening?  I don’t know, but what I do know is the leader of Israel went to Russia last year for a “meeting” and no one knows why or what happened.
 
So let’s identify the nations in this reading: 
 
First we have Gog.  Gog is not a nation, but a term for a ruler.  It means “ruler” or “man on top”. 
 
Next we have Magog: made up today of parts of the former Soviet Union (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Afghanistan.) Amen for spell check.
 
Now we have Rosh: (this term is used 600 times in the Old Testament) referring to people North of the Black Sea, which we call RUSSIA.  WHen the Soviet Union collapsed this made Bible Scholars scratch their head since this Prophecy lay out there so boldly.  But as we see in the past 20 years Russia is resembling itself and this time will be an extremely strong and hostile power in the world.
 
Meshech and Tubal are usually named together in the Bible.  We just read they traded with Tyre (modern Lebanon) so Meshech and Tubal are parts of present day Turkey.
 
The next name mentioned in Ezekiel is Persia; which since 1935 we have called it IRAN.  It’s official name today is “The Islamic Republic of Iran” with a population of 74 Million people.  Ayatollah Khomeini is crowned the leader for revitalizing the Islamic nation while I was growing up (I was oblivious of all this until now) the leader now is a very familiar face (but just a figurehead for their politics)
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
 
In October 2005 Ahmadinejad said to a group called The World without Zionism “As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map…ANybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire if the Islamic nation’s fury”  (The United States is a friend of Israel….pay attention)
 
The next name in this read is Cush.  Cush is Ethiopia.   The first time we read about some of these nations is Genesis 10 (not kidding).  We call this nation today Sudan.  I know you know the name but not sure of who they are.  They are the nation that supported Iraq in the Gulf War AND harbored Osama bin Laden.
 
Then we have Put.  Ahhh this is Libya.  Since 1969 Libya is under the dictatorship of Gaddafi.  Libya is an Islamic nation with great hatred for Israel AND has a recent alliance with….that’s right, you guessed it RUSSIA!
 
Gomer.  Gomer is possibly modern day Germany/Turkey.  They have an allegiance to Russia and if you watch the nightly news you will hear them say they have a strong military presence in Northern Iraq.
 
This list is not complete sin Ezekiel says “many others”.  On the flip side we read of nations that are NOT to be involved against Israel and that is “Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish and they young lions.  Scholars belive Sheba and Dedan to be modern-day Arabian Peninsula, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, and the Gulf Countries of Kuwait and the United Arab of Emirates.  The “young lions” are Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the African colonies, and the United States.
 
(Is your head spinning yet) 
 
 I will end here since I know that was a lot of info to digest but out of all that what do I want you to “get”?
  • The Sovereignty of God’s Plan. 

  • The Inevitable Accomplishment of God’s Purpose.

  • The Salvation of God’s People.

14 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Nicolle on September 8, 2010 at 7:24 am
    Fascinating and also scary considering our current president is “associated with Islam”…(I am not bashing just stating the facts…)
  2. It is more Fascinating to see it from God’s vantage point. Now that you see what happens to a Nation that was given land to prosper and be Blessed who then turns their back on the Lord is handled. They are either wiped out or handed over to their emeny. Hmmm which one will happen to the United States? Will be be taken out with a Nuclear Bomb or will the Islamic Flag hang over the White House? It truly is a 50/50 but one of them will occur.
  3. Posted by Penny on September 8, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Of course, my head is spinning. I’ve read and reread and have so many questions that I don’t even know where to begin. Thank you soooo much for providing descriptions of each nation, such as, Cush, Put, Gomer, etc… So helpful!!
    I don’t undertand everything, but here’s what I do get: God wins! Check out Ezekiel 39:27, “I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land not leaving any behind. I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel…” Note the capital S – that’s a good thing!! :) God wins. and He knows what’s supposed to happen and when it’s supposed to happen. That’s a win-win situation!
  4. Posted by Kathy Bunce on September 8, 2010 at 8:35 am
    Today’s read was fascinating and I really enjoyed your in depth description of who these people are to us today. It’s scary to think of where we are headed, but so exciting to me to be able to see so many prophecies being played out right before our very eyes.
  5. Posted by Rachel Oakes on September 8, 2010 at 9:30 am
    All I can say is “Come Lord Jesus Come!” :)
  6. Posted by Kathy Moore on September 8, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    I’m confused. If we are in the end of times since yesterday’s prpophesy was fulfilled, what about this one – doesn’t this have to happen first too? Or are you saying it might have? Or it is being fulfilled now? …see what I mean about being confused.
  7. This does have to happen however as you can see it can happen in a blink. None of us will know God’s timeline and it could be this afternoon or in a thousand years but truly either is possible. Did anyone think about what happens to Gog and Magog?
    Revelations 20 says:
    “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
  8. Posted by Ciji Gillley on September 8, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    WoW!! I’m blown away & YES my head is spinning!! I really wish I had of read this earlier:) I’m kicking myself for not making it to class tonight, too!! I’m definitely going to re-read it tomorrow & try to peel-off another layer…as you say, Trish:) This is all very eye-opening & makes me want to go tell everyone I know to TURN their eyes on Jesus!! It’s really scary!
    Thank you soooo much for your detailed description of who these nations are to us today! I really struggle with knowing the modern-day places/names. What do you use to research these? I recently got the Rose Book of Bible Charts, Maps, & Time Lines AND the Halley’s Bible Handbook…which I’m overwhelmed/in-love with:) I know you recommended both of these…did you use them or another tool to research the places?
    Interesting stuff!! Penny, I underlined 39:v 25-29 also!! LOVED that:)
  9. Ciji…ask Brittany…I walked into class tonight and said…”where is Ciji??” Crazy Class. I was very nervous because I really know very little about current events so I called Beth to make sure she would be there to answer any questions. (She watches the News…I don’t).
    The Book I used to study this chapter took me over 6 Months to read…but WORTH IT. Click here: http://www.christianbook.com/going-prophetic-clues-cannot-afford-ignore/david-jeremiah/9780785231172/pd/231172?item_code=WW&netp_id=749934&event=ESRCN&view=details
    Meaty. But is should be read AFTER the Bible is read, and maybe several times. The other source I use is my MOUTH! I ask a lot of questions to woman in my life that I am not embarrassed to ask questions to. I really ask some basic basic questions but I don’t care…God loves humility.
  10. Posted by Erica on September 8, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    My. Brain. Hurts.
  11. And it should. We should be in AWE of How perfectly planned God is. Nothing has thwarted the Big Plan. It is truly amazing. We are the ONLY generation that has the full Scriptures in front of us and am able to say…Yes, this is being fulfilled. AMAZING if you ask me. He has EVERYTHING under control, Like when Communism fell, God opened a door for the Jews to come out of Russia to fulfill the regathering in the Reading. There are soooo many things we don’t even see that it all just blows my mind. He blows my mind.
  12. Posted by Laura Frost on September 9, 2010 at 6:30 am
    My small group at Long Hollow is starting a study this week about this very section of the bible called Epicenter by Joel Rosenburg. He is a messianic Jew who has written about our current headlines fulfilling prophecy…join us if you want…it is going to be fantastic to see the Middle East become so perfectly relevant to all of us as God unfolds he plan he foretold long ago. Blake Neeley class Room 228 or 229 at 8:30 am.
  13. Ummmm i think I am about to go to my first Connect Group class. See you SUnday. DO I buy the book first?
  14. Posted by Ciji Gilley on September 9, 2010 at 6:55 am
    Well they don’t call us the CrAzY Cox class for nothing! LoL I really hate I missed last night’s class:( But…I spent about 3 hours in the Word & some other resources. I had a pretty amazing time with JC:)
    God does love humility & I definitely want to borrow that book!! Thanks:)
 

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  1. yes. my head is spinning after all of this. But you are right,, Patricia's post was really helpful. I have a question.....Do I understand that this prophecy that Ezekiel made has not been complete and some thin this is happening right now?
    Also....her maps were really helpful to know where the different places are....

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